First the Wedding, Then the Supper
More Possibilities Examined
Praise God. Glory Glory Glory!!
There sure are a lot of mysteries hidden in the scripture. Isn’t it cool? Everyone seems to think they have the secret formula for Coca-Cola tucked away in their “little peanut sized brains”. I take a lot of verbal retribution for my ideas. Recently I even had a pastor call some of my “ideas” Satanic. I warned him he best watch his demeanor because he might lose some of his crowns.
Where is our humility? Can we not wonder about the Glory of God beyond the 12 oz. can of “theological” containment?
Sure we can, and sure WE SHALL!
More than Meets the Eye
Every time I see another person’s interpretation of scripture, my mind starts to “spin” and I look for other possibilities. I believe we should all do that. After all, have we not been ultimately misled by the force feeding of “milk” for years and years? You bet!
So it’s certainly reasonable to assume that most of what we’ve been taught about prophecy and other scripture is “less than trustworthy” … wouldn’t you say? I would. Again I would remind the reader that I was raised a “no rapture” person. And the arguments were pretty solid. I even have a book entitled “The Rapture Plot”. I didn’t finish it though. It was a difficult read and endlessly “beat to death” this single group of people suggesting there was this demonically inspired “plan” to inject the concept of a rapture into Biblical teaching. After a few chapters, that one needed to be “tossed”.
I’ve come to the conclusion that we all need to “loosen up” a bit on our current understanding of things. It is imperative we take the “empirical” information of “today” and reverse engineer it back into the scripture. I think you have a “thought deficiency” if you don’t do that. There are certain things that cannot be denied. And God is the Almighty Creator of “all things”.
Three Specific Times
You have evidence all throughout the Bible of times when groups of people were raised from the dead, certain times when others were “sucked up” into the sky (call it what you will). To further get your arms around all this information (and scripture), please refer to the article on Tribulation-Now entitled:
The Elect, The Bride, and The Tribulation-Saints
https://tribulation-now.org/2011/03/20/the-elect-the-bride-and-the-tribulation-saints/
There is also a two-hour radio show done on this subject for those interested. You can listen live on Blog Talk Radio from the links below here.
FallenAngelsTV
The Elect, the Bride and The Tribulation-Saints
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fallenangelstv/2011/03/19/the-elect-the-bride-and-the-tribulation-saints
Other related shows can be found on the main archive link here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fallenangelstv
Rescue Mission Phase I
You have the Church of Philadelphia delivered from the “hour of trial” (Rev 3:6); the “Woman” of Revelation 12:6, (Rev. 12:6) who is “FED” … listen … FED for 1260 days. This is the duration of the Great Tribulation. This is the last 3.5 years of Daniels 70 weeks.
THIS IS THE BRIDE
The word “eat” or “fed” here is a “KEY WORD”.
Rev 3:10
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
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And …
Rev 12:6
Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
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NOW!
Contrast that to the report card of the Church of Thyatira who is purposefully CAST INTO the Great Tribulation. That is the complete opposite.
Rev 2:22-23
Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
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Rescue Mission Phase II
Then you have the elect that are gathered at the “Last Trumpet” (Matt 24:30, 1 Cor. 15:52). But “listen” … that is a “Trumpet“! There are also scriptures in 1 Thess. 4 which other rapture believers point to as THE “pre-trib” event. But these verses do not reflect an event that happens before the Great Tribulation.
1 Thess 4:16-18
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
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Rescue Mission Phase III
Then you have the Two Witnesses. They are here for the WHOLE 1260 days. Arguably they could be the same group as the Tribulation-Saints or a “subset” of them. The “key” here is they are ON THE EARTH for 1260 days. (Rev 11:3). BUT THEN!!! They are “killed” and then “resurrected”. Then God CALLS THEM “UP”.
Get it?
Rev 11:2-3
And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
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Rev 11:12
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud
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These are THREE (count them) … THREE TIMES the scriptures specifically refer to a DIFFERENT group of believers being called up to the Heavens.
And … there could be more.
If you are one of those who “buy off” on the “two witnesses” being some version of Moses, Enoch or Elijah coming back to earth and “breathing fire” out of their mouths from a street corner in Tel Aviv, I recommend you watch this You Tube video. These guys “nailed it” as far as I’m concerned. Although I always reserve the right to “eat crow” at any time … Amen!
The Two Witnesses of Revelation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmtYF0y29xI
Three Times, Three Watches
This morning I read an email from Christina. I love Christina. She humbly says things like “maybe I won’t make the first rescue mission” but I have never seen anyone as excited as she is. She rocks!! Glory to God.
Her email had a link to a comment on the 5 Doves web site. A person was pointing out Luke 12:35-40 and suggesting it implied there would be “three” events that happen the evening of THE rapture. Okay … maybe that is true. I have postulated in the past that perhaps the night of the “rescue mission”, there might be “multiple waves” of “beam me us Scotty” events. Amen? Fair enough.
BUT WHAT IF?
Does THREE not match up well with THREE?
The Master Returns from the Wedding
Luke 12:35-40
35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.
Excuse me? Why does this say “return from the wedding”? Does this scripture not imply that “the master” is “returning” from “the wedding”? Notice it also says to keep your “lamps burning” (ref. Matt. 25 the Wise and Foolish Virgins). Hmmm.
So here it appears that “The Master” is returning from His WEDDING!
But the Master has not gone to the Wedding Reception TO EAT … yet … has he?
Those Found Waiting on the Second and Third Watch
Here the same scripture continues. It talks about the master returning to find more believers who are “watching” for Him. And indeed it suggests that when He finds them, He will EAT with them.
37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them
There’s that “EAT” / “FED” word again. I believe it is “possible” that most of those who are eventually rescued will be at the Marriage Supper (see Rev 19) as the scripture does not specifically refer to the Bride ONLY at the Supper.
What Wedding Reception have you been to where ONLY the Bride and the Groom were present?
38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
What is THE SECOND or THIRD watch? Some estimate this all happens on the same “rapture night” as in the link below from the Doves web site (God Bless You Christina).
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/brucew414-3.htm
But are we sure about that? Does this happen all in “one night”?
39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
This scripture above “seems” to imply a single hour. But DOES it really? Does the “hour of trial” the Church of Philadelphia get delivered from only last “ONE earthy hour”?
I don’t think so.
Summary in Jesus Name
Isn’t this cool stuff? Isn’t this encouraging?
I don’t know if I am right about these things but it sure does look quite interesting to consider … Amen? Aren’t we absolutely blessed to have this wonderful opportunity to “wake up” to new understandings of God’s Word in the “last days”? I believe this is very exciting.
God’s Mercy Runs DEEP
Jesus Wants All His Sheep to COME HOME
I had not considered "Luke 12:35-40" before, but when I read it in your email/analysis, it made perfect sense!
Jesus returns from His wedding .. wedded to whom ? .. His Bride – which may be those "rescued" on the 1st watch.
As Jesus returns, he finds those servants on the 2nd watch who are faithfully waiting for Him to return. These servants may be those saints who didn't make the 1st watch for whatever reason, and then those later on the 3rd watch. The 2nd & 3rd watch saints are not part of "the Bride", but nevertheless are invited to the marriage supper to share in the joy and overflowing love of the marriage.
As I've mentioned before, I've been exposed to pre-Trib, mid-Trib, pre-wrath Trib, post-Trib, and no Trib rapture theories, all bolstered with Scriptures.
In the latter 1990's, God quickened to me the pre-wrath rapture. Perhaps that's when I am rescued, and not before. In light of Luke 12:35-40, and connecting other Scriptures that you have presented, this has opened my understanding that there may be more than one "rescue mission".
For those who are not included in the rescue of "the Bride" – and if that should include me, I don't know – faint not, in one's faith, because God will have an important "work" to do for those saints "left behind" – God's work will not be over, but will depend heavily on those saints "left behind".
So I look at this (being "left behind") as not a demotion, or "didn't make the grade", or a loss of one's salvation, but as an extension of God's great and important end-times ministry to bring more lost souls into His Kingdom before the 3rd rescue mission is completed!
Because for those "left behind" after the 3rd "rescue mission", their fate will surely be sealed unto damnation!
God bless,
Loren
…EVERY WORD IS IMPORTANT, isn't it? -AMEN!
Tamra
Okay–John just as I am clearing my eye make-up from running down my face from the tears…I have to share this with you. I am so faithful daily on reading your blog but I did miss yesterday so here I am today Saturday reading yesterdays blog. Yesterday the Lord brought me to Luke 12:34-40 I read it and re-read it was hitting me so strong but I wasn't getting it. So I kept reading before and after the verses. My mind was blocked and I kept saying what am I suppose to be getting from this..I kept reading and re-reading. Then as usually life came into play and I left the scriptures..Enough said. Then this morning I awake get on your blog and there it is —–LUKE 12:35-40—- with astonishing interpetation which I never saw before as many times I have read it and it was so simple I couldn't get anything different from it..but I knew something was hidden or the Lord wouldn't be hitting me on the side of the head to say keep reading (lol)….Your blog (yesterday it was written but explained "TO ME" today)….It just confirms to me how God is talking to His people at the same time with the exact info from all over the earth..we don't even know eachother but the message is the same..sorry but this is such a WOW moment for me…God is soooo good …thanks for the tears of JOY!!!!!!
Wow. I'm speechless. God Bless You. Praise God. I often have no idea if I am seeing things correctly or not but sometimes scriptures jump off the page and I feel led to share what comes upon me, prayerfully through the spirit of God. Amen Hallalujah!
Hi John,
Interesting that the bible codes seem to indicate that Obama is a clone, linked to aliens/fallen angels. On the 4th of May 2009 (it was my birthday), while listening to a radio program I heard for the first time a Christian (Pat Holiday) say that she believed that Obama is not human. This commend on Obama started the ball rolling with my own “investigation” of WHO and WHAT Obama really is. The Obama family looks just like the Ahknaten family of ancient days. This is scary as it is, but even more so in the light of what was revealed to Jonathan Kleck about this ancient clay tablet depicting Pharaoh Ahknaten and his wife and two children.
About the bible code: Stewart Best made the commend in radio program 165 on his website Light Gate that he believes the Bible is actually inter dimensional, and that we could get an amazing “picture” if we would be able to decipher how to put all the different dimensions/layers together. Something like what is shown in the movie “Contact” with Jodie Foster. In this movie to understand the sheets (comparable with the pages of the Bible) they had to put them together in a three dimensional way, after which the picture of this inter dimensional space vehicle appeared.
While typing these very words the thought comes to my mind that every single separate unit of the Bible, as God determined these units to be, might be holographic in nature, containing all the information that is also stored in the rest of the separate by God determined units. The Bible Codes are probably one of the many dimensions of the Bible.
Another interesting impression I have had for quite a long time now about the dimensions in the Bible, is that probably all people that were, are and are going to be born on earth are some where coded in the Bible, and that God might have sought to it that the names of really important people and the to them linked important (end time) events on earth would be discovered in the “layer” or dimension that we would discover FIRST with the Bible Code software.
Another thought that comes to my mind right now is that God’s revelation about TRUE SALVATION (which is the replacement of our stony heart by the heart of flesh (that Jesus Christ has) WHILE WE ARE STILL ON EARTH; THE TRUE REBIRTH) has been given to me, first of all so that I will keep on walking the narrow road to this final goal and REQUIREMENT TO BE SAVED; that is DIVINE LOVE IN ME, so as not to be lost for eternity, due to believe in a false Gospel, but also to keep me humble with all these revelations the Lord seems to be giving me. The Real Gospel is: After conversion people are not saved yet; they have to reconcile THEM SELF with God through walking the narrow way of crucifying the evil fallen nature, consisting of the evil form of “love” for God, our self and others that is in reality NOT REAL LOVE, BUT HATRED. Only after the die-off of the fallen nature is sufficiently done, the Lord Jesus Christ decides when it’s time to bestow His Divine Agape love on us, and to what degree. This whole process from conversion to Agape Love bestowement takes a lot of time, and asks for a lot of patience and endurance. Most Christians (converted people) do not reach this final destination and are rejected among the “MANY” as mentioned in Matthew 24.
Another link to the Divine Love that needs to be visible by Jesus Christ and God the Father in the inner heart of the converted Christian is the Hebrew language. A thought came to me this week that the Hebrew language could have been specifically designed by God to transmit the Divine Love to the reader and listener, and is probably the most suitable language to transmit Divine love to us fallen people. This could be another reason why God has such a controversy with the Jewish people (due to their disobedience to become the spiritual leaders of the world, therefore installing the Hebrew language as FIRST language in ALL the other nations on earth). I suspect German and Dutch are among the (West European) languages that are the LEAST suitable to transmit this Divine Love, hence satan tried to get the entire world under German Nazi Rule, in an attempt to force the German language on the entire world as 1st language. The English language seem to have been chosen by God, after the Roman Empire had crumbled to dust, to become to most widespread language in the world, although this is less suitable to transmit the AGAPE LOVE compared to the Greek language in which the New Testament initially was translated. What an incredible insight! Thank you Lord!
Applying ALL of the above to my own standing before the Lord Jesus Christ as of present: I have not “arrived yet”. I am most likely not yet “attractive” enough for the Lord Jesus Christ to be summoned by Him, like Queen Esther, to become in union with the King while I am still alive here on earth. Thus becoming HIS BRIDE. Only THEN can I join the KING at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, the marriage supper (under the Old Testament in Israel) always happens after the union of bride and bridegroom.
This Biblical Gospel is totally contrary to the “easy believe gospel” that is taught in virtually ALL Churches, and that Jesus, Peter and Paul warned would creep into the Churches throughout all ages till the return of The King.
(While I am saving this message it is 11:09 in the morning; 9-11!)
The indwelling of The Holy Spirit and the manifestations of Gifts are not the same as having in our inner being the Divine Love nature of Jesus Christ and the Father. The Holy Spirit is first and foremost given to us to ” only” help us walk the very difficult road of total self crucifixion by warning us of the sure coming judgment on ALL people, AFTER WHICH we become suitable to be filled with the DIVINE NATURE of GOD and HIS SON. Only then are we suitable to enter Heaven, because only with this nature will we never betray God (again).
Basically, the Holy Spirit leads to the White Throne Judgment of God to have our fallen nature judged, and condemned by God WHILE WE ARE STILL ON EARTH. Only then do we not have to go through this Judgment AFTER WE HAVE physically died. And we can therefore enter into Heaven for eternity. This is NOT TAUGHT in the vast majority of Churches, with devastating eternal consequences for ALL people who embrace the false substitute of the REAL GOSPEL.
John, this is VERY important to understand, because many converted people THINK THEY are walking in the Biblical faith, but they don’t. The real Gospel Faith is the one as described above; THAT’S WHY the Apostle Paul urges the Christians under his care to see to it that they are in the Faith (the Wuest Translations uses a capital F for this kind of faith). It’s the only REAL faith. Paul would not have urged the Christians to make absolutely sure they were walking in the true Faith, the True gospel of Salvation if this Gospel would have been THE SAME as the easy believe gospel that has crept into the Churches.
Would YOU want to marry a woman that would secretly from her inner being, her heart of hearts (represented by the holy of Holies in the Jewish Tabernacle in Old Testament times) HATE YOU, and have a CONDITIONAL LOVE for you, instead of an ABSOLUTE, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that would never waver, never betray you, never deny you, never would abandon you? Such a woman filled with AGAPE LOVE, the love Adam and Eve lost after the fall, would be absolutely irresistible to you, would it not?
The same with the Lord Jesus Christ! Remember, God created us (and the rest of the angels?) to select a Bride for his Son out of the vast number of created people. Symbolized by the many different Bible narratives, both in the New and Old Testament. Eve was made out of only approximately 1/1000 of Adam’s body, namely his rib, a part of his body CLOSE TO HIS HEART. Think about it……..
John, pray to God to reveal to you if you really have understood and agreed with the Real Gospel as described above. I would hate to see you being misled by satan with his crafty made false Gospel that sounds just like the real one, but will lead to a horrible destination for eternity. I do not say this to lecture you, God forbid!, but to urge you, like Jesus, Paul and Peter would have done, from my heart.
And it ALL comes full circle again.
I am looking forward to the things the Lord will reveal to you and others in the upcoming weeks and months,
Dorien