Can You Be Too Excited?

Can Credibility Impact People’s Eternity?
Is Date Setting Wrong?

Behind the scenes of Tribulation-Now, there are email discussions that occur.  Some of them are organized and constructive and others just ramble on and eventually fizzle out.  One of several of Tribulation-Now’s thought leaders (not the writer of the attached editorial but another one) has recently joined a group led by Pastor Wilhelmsen.  He is the author of “Beyond Science Fiction”.  They are assembling a group of super-smart specialists and meeting regularly to construct a “game plan” to present to the world specialized information on the UFO alien-demon threat.  I think this is fabulous.  But the hardest part of making something like that work is ORGANIZATION. 

The challenge is that often times we Christians just dont’ know how to be organized.  We need to run our “groups” like “Businesses”.  We need to define our “deliverables” in advance and determine our “Success Criteria” so we understand precisely what our “output” will be from the effort.  Our work needs to be PROJECT MANAGED!!  

PEOPLE’S ETERNITIES ARE AT STAKE!!

The “thought leaders” behind Tribulation-Now are planning on organizing just such a group.  We haven’t figured it out yet but we will NOT proceed unless it is designed like a business.  It must have “deliverables” and it must PRODUCE FRUIT or we will pull the plug.  If we are successful (in the Name of the King, Yeshua / Jesus Christ!) then we pray it will help edify and encourage people and help others to further understand the threat and the “means to escape the consequences”.

But again, I digress.

Evidently there is a group at the web site http://www.wecanknow.com/ that is suggesting that Judgement Day is May 21, 2011.  In some ways I wish they were right because I WANT to go be with the King REALLY BAD!!  And these people MEAN BUSINESS.  I have a lot of respect for their courage to come out and just grab a loudspeaker and take charge.

On the other hand, if they are wrong (which they likely are), then how does that reflect on the credibility of the rest of Christianity (what’s left of it)?  And how important is that going to be down the road when things get really WEIRD?

Nashville billboards claim Jesus will return May 21, 2011

This is the original press release that captured the attention of some of the Tribulation-Now “thought leaders”.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20101201/NEWS06/12010350/-1/testpage/Nashville+billboards+claim+Jesus+will+return+May+21++2011

A “Behind the Scenes” Editorial Commentary by a Tribulation-Now Contributor

December 2, 2010
by Loren

Many Christians have made the dire mistake of “time compression” in the

interpretation of the timings of events in Scripture. Predicting the timing
of the “rapture”, as mentioned in the article (below), is based upon false
assumptions derived from the “time compression” of Noah’s day and the timing
of the Flood.

“According to Camping’s prediction, the Rapture will happen exactly 7,000
years from the date that God first warned people about the flood. He said
the flood happened in 4990 B.C., on what would have been May 21 in the
modern calendar. God gave Noah one week of warning.

Since one day equals 1,000 years for God, that means there was a 7,000-year
interval between the flood and rapture.”

The Flood was a worldwide global cataclysm – NOT a regional one! After the
Flood, there have been many regional floods, sometimes even continental,
even hemispheric, in scope, but never since the Flood has there been another
global flood.

In arriving at the year of the Flood at 4990 BC, many artifacts of human
history go that far back and beyond, but without any major break in
continuity. Had the Flood indeed occurred at 4990 BC, there should be a
huge breakage of continuity of human development and artifacts left over
after the Flood.

The Flood was like hitting the “Reset” button on Mankind, and there should
be a major disruption of continuity of Mankind’s development, in contrasting
pre-Flood to post-Flood.

As far as I know (maybe I’m wrong), there is no major worldwide global
disruption at the 4990 BC time, nor anywhere near it, before or after.

As far as the “rapture” goes, I read a prophecy that it was supposed to have
already happened in late October / early November of this year. Obviously,
it did not happen! Now, someone else is predicting May 21, 2011 …

Also, the “rapture” itself is open to dispute. In my past, I have read up
on pre-Trib, mid-Trib, pre-wrath, post-Trib, and no-Trib rapture theories –
and they were all convincing! Until (and I know this is subjective unto me)
the Holy Spirit showed me in the mid-90’s that the rapture will be pre-wrath
(just prior to God pouring out His wrath upon the world), for those who have
made it (endureth) that far towards “the end”.

No one knows the day nor hour, not even the angels, not even Jesus – and NOT
even Lucifer and his minions – and BOY, do they want to pinpoint that day
and hour down tight! So they can mount effective counter-measures and
counter-attacks against the Son as He returns with the Saints for the War of
the Worlds!

Only the Father knows the day and hour. And ONLY the Father knows the
Sacred Words not yet spoken forth, but held “on reserve” since before time
itself (since before, and because of, the Luciferian Rebellion), but will be
revealed and poured out upon the Remnant during the Latter Days Outpouring!

Buckle up and hang onto your Berean hats! because it’s going to be a
pourin’ like no other in history!

For all we know, maybe May 21, 2011 will be when the false christ will
reveal himself as the “savior returned” …

May 21 is the first day within the zodiac sign of Gemini – the “twin”.

In quoting from :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(astrology)

“Gemini is considered a “masculine”, positive (extrovert) sign. Perhaps the
most dominant Geminian characteristic is versatility. It is also considered
an air sign, and is one of four mutable signs.[4]”

And in clicking on “mutable signs”, the following :

“Lilly goes on to say that mutable signs are inherently “unstable, and of no
resolution, and mutable, perverted, wavering […] inconstant.”[3] This is a
rather dramatic overstatement, but Lilly is trying to create the most
striking comparisons he can between the three classes of sign.”

Gemini is an “air” sign! Who do we know as the “prince of the power of the
air”? Gemini is depicted as “the twins”. Who do we know as the original Dr
Jekyll and Mr Hyde? the original “split personality”?

Lucifer!

Lucifer/Satan are the two personas of the same person/being. “Lucifer” is
as he was before he rebelled, while “Satan” is as he became after his
rebellion.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil represents this enigma, as the
knowledge derived from Lucifer can indeed be “good”, while the knowledge
derived from Satan can indeed be “evil”. As the “god of this world”,
Lucifer can “bless” whomever he so desires – even the very Elect of God!

But as the adversary of Mankind, he can also “curse” whomever he so desires
(but only with God’s permission if the person so targeted is living “in
faith” and under the umbrella of God’s protection, as evidenced with Job).

There are those in the world who worship “Lucifer”, and not “Satan”, as the
“god of light”, for in their minds they have been convinced that Lucifer is
the god of all that is good, while Satan is the god of all that is evil (the
“god” that Christians worship, they believe).

But once this mystery of the dual-persona of Lucifer/Satan is revealed, and
how this dual-nature has reverberated and impacted throughout time, space,
and history, then the blinders fall from our eyes of understanding into
almost all things.

In conclusion,

Not only does “date setting” of the rapture do a disservice to Christianity,
not only in setting its date, but in the rapture belief itself, but also in
pinpointing the exact year and day of the Flood (and of the creation of Adam
and Eve, and even of the 1st Day of Creation!).

This shows to the world what intellectual imbeciles most Christians are, and
if they have this wrong, then what else do they have wrong? the entire
Bible?

How much more believable is it then, to throw the entire Bible out the door
as nothing but unprovable make-believe myths and superstitious symbols of a
bygone era, and instead believe in provable “science”? in “aliens”? in
“ascended masters” that all want to save Mankind? instead of “pass
judgment” (as “God” supposedly does – always waiting with great anticipation
to strike someone down with a lightning bolt for the slightest grievance!).
Date-setting Christians, whether knowingly or not, are playing right into
the Great Delusion!

Loren

PS:

Prince William’s birthday is June 21, born in 1982. He is first day into
Cancer, in which Cancers are usually highly competitive. However, during
the 9th month of being in the womb, he had the “finishing touches” of Gemini
(May 21 – June 20) as his “birthing foundation”!

In adding up the numbers of his birthdate :

June (06) + 21 + 1982 = 2009 = 2 + 9 = “11” = Gemini !

19 = 1 + 9 = 10

82 = 8 + 2 = 10

21 = 2 + 1 = 3

6 = 6
—-

29 = 2 + 9 = “11” = Gemini !

The “twin” is Prince William’s predominant personality structure – the “dual
nature” of Lucifer/Satan!

And as the lineage of Prince William from both his father and mother puts
him into the category of the “Holy Blood Holy Grail”, he may indeed be the
rightful heir to the throne of Israel.

Many “Israelites” over time left the middle east for other destinations, one
of them being Western Europe.

For all we know, Prince William may be of “Israelite” lineage, and
consequently, of the “seed of Abraham” (for the “Jews” and “Moslems” to
accept as their messiah).

Now, he only need “prove” that he is a descendant of “Jesus” (for the
apostatized Christians) … and can perform signs and wonders and miracles
as Jesus did … and have been “taught in all the wisdom of the Egyptians”
as was Moses …

Just my $.02 … well, a bit more than $.02 …

Summary in Jesus Name

PRAISE YOU JESUS FOR MY DAY JOB
I’M LATE
GOTTA RUN
BE BLESSED IN JESUS NAME



15 thoughts on “Can You Be Too Excited?”

  1. The May 21, 2011 theme is picking up steam and I am one of many who been warning about this problem for quite a while. Between now and then, there very likely will be some increases in 'bad news' and social changes which will give further attention to this date and as it gathers more it will only add to the argument that Christianity is for 'nutcases'. who only want to cause trouble. It will add to the argument there is nothing in the Bible which is factual nor validating. ergo, Christians will have to 'be dealt with'. We will be viewed as social misfits who cause more harm than good and must be taught to toe the line. And this of course is a fulfillment of the Lord's word. But try to get these people to see that and good luck in the attempt.
    As for Prince William, there is much to speculate.
    Diana's marriage into the higher Royal stratum is rife with symbolism and the linking of her son(s) to the 'royal bloodline' is by no degree a mistake.
    Enter this into the time frame approaching May 21, 2011 and one can see the potential for 'disclosures' meant to undermine the foundation of the Christian faith.
    Me, I am ready to move into an abandoned bus in the Rockies just to get some quiet, and await the Lord with patience.

    Bless you all,

  2. For the love of God these people must NEVER put a date on it>>> We are supposed to interpret the signs of the times, HOWEVER the scriptures CLEARLY say

    Matthew 25>>"36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only"

    These people have made the mistake of putting a date on what God Himself said NO Man or even the angels or even the Son knows… This would clearly be foolish behavior

  3. WOW! A lot to wake up to this morning from Trib-Now? I am so thankful for like-minded people, PRAISE JESUS! Just wanted to add something here.

    I have been waiting a very long time to hear someone bring up Prince Will-i-am for possible AC. FYI, the Dr. Joye Jeffreies Pugh @ http://www.drjoye.com has done a lot of research and development on this discovery. I wondered how the royal wedding would play out in the scheme of things and tried to contact her, but have not heard back yet.

    I believe that last year, this time – the Lord softly spoke in my heart that Jesus came from the lowest of men to the Highest of Kings! The ANTI christ will come from the highest of kings to the lowest of men!

    Remember 'he' is always opposite! I have
    wondered about Obama. I still do, but I don't understand his bowing to all world leaders except the Royal Family and as arrogant as Lucifer, I cannot think that he would stoop so low as to use a poor mixed race man from a dysfunctional home for his dwelling place.

    The AC WILL need to be accepted
    by the Jews and his popularity is falling there. I would also tend to think that he (the ac), might also come from the dead! Maybe the pyramids of Egypt?

    I read a very long study by Peter Goodgame a few years ago that made a lot of sense to me. Especially the idea that all would, "wonder and marvel at the beast". Who would not marvel at someone that came back from the dead knowing all the ancient secrets and unknown languages that had once ruled the world and set up the tower of Babel, the one world government and religion, and had actually become a GOBORIM?

    Remember, Rev 17:11 tells us the beast WAS, and IS NOT, IS HIMSELF ALSO THE EIGHTH AND IS OF THE SEVEN, AND IS GOING TO PERDITION. So, we have 1) Nimrod, 2) Pharaoh, 3) Sennachel of Assyria, 4) Ithobaal II of Tyre, 5) Antiochus !V Epriphanes, 6) Nero Caesar, 7) Adolf Hitler, 8 and last) Nimrod – antichrist!

    Nimrod was to be sacrificed as agreed by the Divine Council in order for 70 separate nations to be governed by entities (gods). God choosing Israel.

    Nimrod was made the first mummy and was preserved in the abyss until another appointed time. Jesus said, "Where the corpse is there the eagles will gather". Matt. -"..when they say He is in the desert.., or secret chamber – BELIEVE IT NOT".

    There is A LOT MORE on this and I made a copy of his study, but you might still find it at Red moon Rising or Peter Goodgame. I personally believe no matter who the AC is, the spirit of Nimrod which was Lucifer, will again enter the final man of sin.

    I emp. unknown because that is whole nother story! Blessings fsatat (for such a time as this) – AMEN IN JESUS!

  4. Tamra – please forward me that study on Nimrod that sounds like some excellent stuff.

    Considering that "they" are tinkering with DNA (for multiple reasons) it would be no surprise at all that they would take Nimrod (Osirus/Horus) DNA froma grave and resurrect some type of Nimrod "like" entity … etc. Thanks for this. It fits like a "fit extension" (gasp!) …

  5. Sometimes I get confused by speculation and dates. I believe that God has everything under control. All this talk about dates, heirs, etc… it under minds God. He must sit and laugh as we try to guess his next moves. Its good to be prepared, but when people try to put a date to something that not even his son knows… really? Does anyone really think God is that simple? I feel like he would alter the date, just to teach us that God is God and in the end, we are children compared to him and really know notthing. If we could have the "mind" of God for a split second, our head would explode. Furthermore, when these people are wrong, it makes Christians look like kool aid drinking nut jobs… thank u for listening

  6. Amen. We as Christians have definitely lost the credibility game by being "less than humble" in our presentation of possibilities. It's one thing to be excited (which I am) but another thing to be "so sure" you are correct that you will sink the whole "credibility boat" along with you. This has happened many times throughout history. I hope they are correct, but I am reasonably sure they are not. There is too much more left to this movie.

  7. Ok John…..WHAT IF AND I MEAN WHAT IF…… now i sit currently with the belief of Mid trib rapture. (taken out before gods wrath) but if you will keep your mind open for this WHAT IF….like you told me "Kemer, they continue to stall there plans, we hear of great tragedies coming to the this land and the World but nothing happens." What IF…. Satan is waiting for Jesus to call the TRUE children of his up into heaven (rapture) and that then starts the kick off point. Satan and his armies are revving up there engines and waiting for the allowed time to begin there onslaught ? JUST a thought and perhaps this is just foolish thinking coming from heart…

  8. Amen – K-man …

    That has occurred to me more than once. There is a source article out there that Q pointed me too that suggests something similar so I haven't ruled it out.

    Believe me I remain very cautious about any timing. For example Sherry Shriner makes a very valid point when she points out that it is likely billions of people who are all worked up about being here for Christ's final return will be dead already.

    All you have to do is read the Trumpets to see that.

    And then you have to consider so many nuances.

    Nuances in timing e.g. pre / post / pre-wrath … in the grand scheme of things WHEN the heck is that?

    Is it before the mark or just prior to the beheadings?

    And then there are nuances in qualifications.

    "Pray that you will ba found worthy to escape these thing" … YOWSER!

    Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus I pray that Kemer and I are both found worthy to escape! AMEN!

  9. hello and blessing in the name of Christ Jesus!

    Dear fellow servant of Jesus, why do you say that Jesus does not know the time of his coming? Do you believe that Jesus was and is and will always be God? And if you believe this, why would you say that Jesus doesn't know the day he will return? Do you know that in the modern day bibles they have added that passage to the text? In the kjv 1836 bible it says in Matthew 24:36 KJV But of that day and hour knoweth no MAN, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only. NIV Matthew 24:36 36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[added in] but only the Father. (Jesus was a man at this point, talking to his apostles)
    Now in the book of Mark 13:32-34 which you may be reffering to; Mark 13:32-34
    32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for YE know not when the time is. 34For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey,(wasn't his journey when he went back to Heaven to be with His Father, to prepare a place for us?) who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. (wasn't Jesus speaking these words, as a man?) Then if you look at Acts1:7 which says "7And he said unto them, It is not for YOU to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."
    I am not trying to argue whether we as the bride of Christ know the time he will come, I am simply stating that Jesus does indeed know when he will return, when the scriptures are taken in context and not out of context. Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old (nephili, demons) ordained to this condemnation", "ungodly men," turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    This is what modern day bible printers are doing, and I do know the bible was written long before 1836, it just happens to be the oldest copy I personally own. I use 7 different transalations written in english as my hebrew and greek are not up to standard as of yet, to be able discern the ORIGINAL scriptures. But I am learning.

    I really enjoyed your view of Antichrist, who he is, what he will do and how he will act. I too, thought this person is possibly Prince William. He had a microchip put into his right hand (Mark of the beast)at the age of 12. (which is definately strange, since most chip implants previously done are in the arm) I am a fellow believer and I study scriptures several hours a day, to learn from Jesus and the way he wants me to be taught. (not by any person who is of flesh). I do beleive you know the truth and are a believer as am I. I pray for great wisdom for you and I thank God for your thoughts and speaking the truth. May you be blessed for helping the lost & confused! I just wanted to make a point, hopefully it helped and blesses you. I pray you will accept this as I am in no way trying to hurt or demean your work, just wanted to make you aware.

    Thank you again and please continue in teaching the word! You are amazing and I thank God for you! I look forward to meeting you, either here, there or in the air! Have an awesome day and God bless you!

  10. Actually I have read those verses and considered the fact that Jesus is God and part of the Godhead etc and in the eternal realm should be aware of timing as He sits beside God the Father.

    Also its probably important to note that the editorial section on the article, written by Loren, was not necessarily my position. I tend to be quite a bit more humble in my position on things than most. The more you learn and the more often you have been mistaken, the more humble you become.

    And then later you start to discover dualitiies and sometimes trialities in scripture meaning and you again step back with your mouth hanging open.

    On the AC deal I am very open minded as well. I definitely see the occult significance of the" blue blood" / triple helix DNA deal for the re-birth of Lucifer into a" fit extension" (human body) such as Williams … but on the other hand I have seen some super strong scripturally backed arguements for a genetic resurrection of Nimrod DNA (Osiris/ Virus/ Nimrod) type deal.

    Then I wonder…

    Will we know for sure? The scripture does say you will" see" the abomination … hmmmm

    When you start to understand all the lines upon lines, precepts upon precepts, and you realize that the vast majority of Christiandom has NO IDEA what is going on right now … you have to wonder …

    Who will see?

    What is it we will see?

  11. Tamra made reference to Peter Goodgame. a man who has done some of the best writing on interpretation of the timeline of the book of Revelation. His website is REDMOONRISING.COM and well worth the time to read. BTW, several years ago Peter came to realize it is more important to focus on the Christ and not the anti-christ, and has since not updated his site, but the material there is still worth the read.

  12. PRAISE JESUS FOR PETER GOODGAME!!

    I have been trying to help people understand that for a very long time.

    It's not enough to be a "watchman" if it does not benefit the KINGDOM! In fact, it may end up screwing you in the long run. You need to do watch JESUS SAYS TO DO!

    1. Heal the sick
    2. Preach the Gospel
    3. Feed the Poor

    "JUST DO IT"

    Put down the binoculars for a little each week and go feed a homeless person. In Jesus Name!

  13. I have never commented on this site before, but oddly enough, today I just happened to look up one of the websites about that billboard, this one was in Texas. only this one said judgement Day is May 21st,2011. I went to the site and on the surface he has some pretty interesting ways of coming up with dates but I read further and read some of what he believes, of what I could take, and I began to see how very misled and misleading he was. He believes that Apollyon is actually God Himself and the locust coming out of the pit are the saints who have just been raptured, stinging (symbolically) those who believed they ere saved but turns out they were not. Then for five months of wrath after May 21st the end would come and no 1000 years of Christs reign. Also, he says that God changed the Sabbath to Sundays, while stating that you must obey the whole Word of God in order to be saved, So while he changes the Word of God he also leaves out the most important thing which is that Jesus Christ did it all for us. I think this man is sincere in his beliefs, but not led by God in doing this unless it is part of God's coming delusion to those in the body of Christ who don't read their Bibles for themselves (no real love for the truth). I Peter 4:17 says for the time has come for judgement must begin at the House of God and the Church seems to be judged (by the world as well as the Lord) by this type of foolishness in date setting…sure we are to know the time and seasons and to watch and pray, not know the day and hour, but it sure shows how little some in the professing church know their bibles.
    As for antichrist, that spirit has been in the temple for some time now. many have become subject to his deceptions. Sure I can see that someone will lead the end-time parade, but The antichrist? No such person in my understanding. There were many infected with the spirit of antichrist in the days of the 1st century and it was and is a spirit of antichrist IJohn 4:3…you don't have to look too far to see that spirit everywhere including those who profess Christ yet don't believe in His accomplished works and still believe they have to adhere to mostly man-made doctrines in order to be saved. Anyway, that's the way I see it. God bless you all, June

  14. Wow I wasn't "led" to look that far into this groups belief systems. Talk about being WAAAAAYYYY OFFFF. WOW!!

    God Bless You for doing the digging and upsetting their "apple cart" for others to see this is a big "goof up". Should have guessed, but never would have guess it was "that bad".

    Amen!!

    Darn… I was really wanting to get off this planet.

    There's always the future ; )

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